2 killed, 9 injured in Brown University shooting as suspect remains at large

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And the Providence City Council is directing people with any information related to Saturday's shooting at Brown University to share it with the FBI. >> That includes any tips, videos, or photos as authorities continue their investigation. Tips can be sent to fbi.gov/brun university shooting. And joining us now with reactions to the tragic shootings at both Brown University and Bondi Beach in Sydney is Mike Leon. He's the host of the podcast Can We Please Talk. Also with us is Republican strategist Angie

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Wong. Angie, Mike, thank you both very much for joining us on this somber morning. Mike, first let's discuss the attack on Brown's campus. The suspect is still at large after a person of interest was released back to the public. Any update on the latest and do we know more about the suspect that they're looking for? Any information or any descriptions of of any sort? >> Yeah, well, good morning everybody first and foremost. Um, you know, I have experience in some of this. My my cousin

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goes to Florida State University in the shooting that happened earlier this year. She happened to be in that she was supposed to be in that classroom. Excuse me. Thankfully, she overslept that class. So, I I feel for everybody involved in all of this and trying to contact loved ones and seeing the video that the student put up yesterday of the police, you know, coming in and stuff like that. So, I feel for everybody up there. I contacted I have a economics professor up there, Mark Ble, who was recently on the show from Brown

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University who I contacted in the aftermath of this. You know, Brown University has limitations on some of their cameras and some of their buildings. So, there's a little bit of a back and forth there between not only the campus police and obviously Rhode Island police and what they have information wise and like you said, Carrie, the suspect of interest was that was found due to the geo location trackers and things like that. He was released recently. So, I don't know where this investigation will end up

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turning up, but as of right now, obviously, like you said before, any tips that people have up there, you know, call them in and things like that, but it's it's a sad situation, especially when you see a campus being locked down just on an average, we're about to start into the holidays. Hanukkah's already starting and things like that, and I know we'll get into that. And to see something like this happen, especially on, you know, one of the the most known universities in this

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in this country, an Ivy League school and things like that, like it's it's very sad to see. It's a sad situation. Yeah, agreed. Of course. And Angie, uh the the school is no longer under a lockdown situation, but um at this point, the the suspect is still at large and on the loose. Um what what are your initial reactions to the current state of of what's happening at Brown? >> Yeah, I know these are critical hours for detectives to find this shooter. Um, I'm actually quite surprised at a

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university like Brown University where they have over 800 security cameras around the campus that we get a really grainy shot of someone walking away uh with a a black hoodie on. It is a very strange thing that there is no license plate readers and that doors were able to be opened by someone who may or may not have been a student. All of this is really stumping uh investigators and they're even looking combing through social media accounts to see if there was anything that was put online that

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would have brought on a shooter like this. And we've seen in previous school shootings, those are what some of the indicators. None of that is the case here. And it seems as though they don't really have a place to go. You listen to what the investigators say at the press releases and they can't and you can see from the words and and tell from the words that they don't really have a lead. So this is what's really worrying. My questions are was this a target attack at the victims? One of them we're

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learning was the VP of the Republican club at Brown University. Was this a target attack towards Jewish students which some reports are claiming given the timing that uh yesterday was the first day of Hanukkah. So, it was one of those, you know, there there's a lot of these uh kind of political killings that we're seeing. Is that what this is? And um I'm wondering if that is why it's taking so long to get information out to the public. >> Yeah, and that that is a a good segue to

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the situation in Bondi, Mike. Uh clearly this was there's no mystery here. Very much a anti-semitic attack. um one of the killers uh of the father and son died in the exchange of fire, but what what do we know so far about the two suspects? >> Yeah, and and kind of what you said to piggyback on that, you know, uh we're seeing lockdowns or not lockdowns, at least more increased police presence. You know, I was at a Jewish center here yesterday for a performance for my daughter and you're seeing a bigger

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police presence in the US. But in terms of what happened in Bondai Beach, again, we we know that this was racially motivated, you know, uh, you know, um, religion motivated in terms of this Jewish community, like you said, father and son, registered going on for years. It they had potentially ISIS flags according to authorities there in their vehicle. So, this was something that was a targeted attack. Kudos to that man who who hid behind the cars and risked his life to save potentially more folks that

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would have been injured in this attack. And and it just goes to show, you know, we were talking about before and what President Trump said earlier. You know, this is the first night of Hanukkah yesterday and uh and you know, we're going to have potentially attacks like this on the Jewish community. It's abhorrent. Um it's disgusting. I know one thing that I heard that you mentioned earlier or Steph may have mentioned it about that Australian leaders are meeting to figure out gun laws and a national gun registry at that

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level. I'd love if the US would have that. I mean, we can talk about whether or not that would actually stop some of these things, but be as it may, people's ideology do does change over time, right, Carrie? And that's what we're kind of seeing. This man was there for 10 years and owned these weapons and then all of a sudden one day decides to do this because of whatever factors as the investigation comes out. So, we'll see how that all plays out. The son's in critical condition as of now, but my

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thoughts and prayers, and I know that that statement is overused at times, but my thoughts and prayers truly to everybody affected out there in Bondi Beach. You make a a very interesting point. As ideology changes over time, radicalization can happen quickly and then there's the balance of privacy verse being able to comb through the big data and find these signals. Angie, I want to shift to Anthony Albanzy. He described the attack as an act of pure evil and an an act of terror and an act of anti-semitism. And US cities, as Mike

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pointed out, are now tightening all the security around anything Jewish related. And we saw the clip of the rabbi saying the the answer is not to hide your Jewishness, but to be even more uh representative of of your faith. Um what are your thoughts with all of these various subfactors that led into um what we're now trying to understand? >> Well, it was only a few short months ago that Alani and foreign minister Wong of Australia where they were pushing for the support of the Palestinian state.

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Right. A lot of this is being fueled. A lot of anti-semitism is running through its course in Australia in Australia. Why? Because they want to please the Muslim voters there, the newly arrivals of Muslim voters. And they will say and pivot to anything, any sort of message they need to in order to reach those voters. So, it's really fresh now to see him to say, well, be more Jewish. Well, I don't know if that's really the answer here because he's getting attacked from both sides. Uh, clearly there was some

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anti-semitism. uh involved in this. As the investigation unfolds, we're going to learn more and more, but the early investigate uh the early points of this investigation definitely shows that. So, you can't have these kind of political rhetoric running through the prime minister and the former minister and at the same time, you know, backtrack and say, "Oh, well, you know, you have to do this as well." It's confusing. It's not great for the country. Australia has some of the toughest gun laws out there.

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So, this is certainly not a gun control issue. You can see from the videos of the shooter, it was militarystyle shooting. They knew what they were doing with those rifles where the hero that uh that stopped the attack of one of these shooters. You can tell he didn't know how to clear the chamber of that rifle. He was just pulling the trigger. He didn't know how to use a gun because there are very little civilian guns in Australia. That's what's happening here. And uh you know I'm a definitely an a

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second amendment girl and to see that happening in Australia. I do not ever want to see that here. I think we all need to be gun trained. >> Well, I know that on this issue of gun control, we you guys represent two different perspectives on that, but I think we both can agree on the bravery of Ahmad Alamad. Interestingly, an an Arab man who saved the lives of countless Jews that day. So, if there's one uh grain of light on this Hanukkah massacre, it is that. And we appreciate you both for joining us. Mike Leon,